Discussions of the nature of man, and the establishment of wonder being particularly squishy in hard science terms. Number of XcodeGhost-Infected iOS Apps Rises, Facebook Dislike Hype Exploited In Phishing Campaign, IBM Advanced Systems Group -- a bunch of mindless jerks, who'll be first They would carry with them their earthly microbes. The people who reduce Mars resource extraction to simple "We'll simply do this, then that" statements have clearly never had to work building or maintaining mining, ore processing, and refining equipment on Earth, let alone on Mars ;) We've never done any sort of actual mining on other worlds (no, using a RAT or taking tiny dust samples is not "mining"), and most of the stuff one might consider even close to "refining" we've done in space has proved to be a maintenance nightmare. With both SpaceX and NASA ramping up plans to go to Mars, maybe it’s time to consider the other side of the discussion – that traveling to Mars might be a terrible idea. When that unexpected thing happens to our Earth-bound ecology, what, exactly, is our safety strategy? Why Life on Mars May Be Impossible ... To determine whether the compound is a good thing or a bad thing for life, ... Go Now. It wouldn't be so much for the science. After the second or third landing, people stopped caring. The martian atmosphere provides CO2 - that is 2 useful elements you can get just by sucking it through a pump. Your email address will not be published. Of course, we all die, but any Mars mission is suicide right now. I've enjoyed climbing on small scales myself, though mostly I prefer hiking (even on more difficult terrain). It was hard work, but a self-sustaining (even resource producing) colony *could* be built in the New World. It's suicide. -- with regrets to D. Adams. I'll try and stop them from using my money. We have plenty of humans here on earth... some would say a growing concern of way too focking many. Except that when you got to the New World you could step off your ship - without simultaneously asphyxiating, freezing, getting fried by radiation and being covered in rather unpleasant dust - shoot a few buffalo for food and start planting your crops in the fertile soil. Yes, I know. Okay, you can work around that by building a base at the pole where there are peaks that are in permanent sunlight (and crater bottoms that are permanently dark). At first, going to the moon was totally exciting, electrifying the entire world. There are other hard things we could consider doing, such as eliminating carbon emissions are establishing peace in the Middle East. It’ll Be Fun They Said…. So are many metals (at practical Venusian concentrations, most metals are probably fine, even steels). And yet maybe we SHOULD terraform the moon. We have been maintaining human life on the space station for years. On the other hand, this was achieved in the days before we had robots or planes or whatever to do the exploring for us. It's not as glamorous because we've been there before, but it gets us into technology development. Because, unlike Earth, Mars has a very thin atmosphere and no magnetosphere. Arguably both much harder than a mere trip to Mars, but IMO much more valuable to the human race as well. Hope that there's no accidents in launch, transit or on landing.4) Spend enough time with MOXIE operating to prove that it actually works in a Mars environment (dust storms, radiation, temperature swings, etc). Once you are on your way, there's no way to bail out and come back quickly in the event of an emergency. In the mean time, if you really want to explore off-world colonization options, use the Moon; it's closer. You don't seem to be aware of it, but we have been operating a solar-powered rover on Mars for well over ten years. There are solar powered doodads on Mars as we write this, happily motoring about, an doing research. We need to loft a multi-megawatt reactor to power those engines, provide ample power for life support, and generate a magnetic shield for protection from various forms of radiation. Also trivial to simulate on a space station. Thank god at least here are no Mars-Indians. Given the difficulties of getting to Mars, the fact that Mars is barely any more suited to habitation than space and the fact that trips to and from Mars need to deal with the planet's gravity well... why do we assume that the first off-Earth permanent habitation would necessarily need to be on Mars, or indeed on any other planet? Take smaller steps. Colonizing the moon first sounds like the reasonable choice... No... the new world had the capacity to sustain life. Without strong magnetic fields you aren't going to catch radiation in heavy concentrations that would be dangerous. There are plenty of humans, we are not a scarce resource. Nobody's suggesting a space station with the corridors exposed to vacuum. Buoyancy = space. This really is a great analogy. Because Mars is one of few places with a reasonable day/night cycle. As for your ideas on reasons to go or not go, I heartily concur. Walking outside on Mars is not that much different from walking on the moon, from a life support systems perspective. :-), The author obviously has no clue about science.o Who cares about the average temperature of the planet when a landing spot will be close to the euator?o what is the longest stay in space, people already have done?o why do inhabitants of the ISS not care if they hang "wierd in space"?o did he once check the size of your personal space in a submarine?o while Systems may fail, mankind has build enough complex systems that lasted for decades (hint: pioneer and viking space probes)o while he is right that the atmosphere is not breathable, there is enough CO2 to produce all O2 we ever need there, and likely with water we have it even more easy to produce O2. But if enough Astronauts haven't grown up yet then who am I to stop them? Although the record was set in 1995 by Valery Polyakov, who flew on the Mir space station for 437 days. People have suffered far worse; the early antarctic explorers, or sailors from the Age of Sail. Ridden by superstitions, doubts, inaccuracies. Because we've been to the Moon, so investors aren't as willing to throw money at that. Plus, it's a "dry heat" ;). Is not complicated. The science can be done in unmanned missions. ... let's not go to Mars. Be united. Official history say that he was the first to arrive in Brazil in 1500 A.D., a few years after Columbus's trip in 1492. ...would be a grueling, eight- to nine-month-long nightmare for the crew,". If a homeless guy walks into your office, rubs shit in his hair, proclaims himself a god, and asks you to follow him, would your line of reasoning be "Well, he COULD be crazy...but I had better follow him anyway, because I could just be being too pessimistic"? There have been expeditions to space stations smaller than the ISS, for duration longer than a trip to Mars. Mars has chemistry, which is not good, who knows what all the nice perchlorates and other fun stuff will do? So all we need is a continuum of planets between our orbit and that of Mars that are increasingly hostile and distant; that will allow us to work our way up to Mars. It's the only one we've got. I'm not opposed. There is an important, often overlooked reason we aren't going back to the moon... Yeah, seriously. Other challenges, such as those around hydroponics and recycling, might not be that different from those associated with a settlement on Mars. It's a scary place. Then there's the problem of being stuck in a tin can for 9-12 months, and still being in good enough shape to do something useful once you get there. Period. And last but not least, number 5: The Contamination Problem. Mars is a deep gravity well, and there's little evidence that there is anything in it we want. It's not even possible on Mars as far as I know. This isn't traversing the seas to get to the new world, this is going to a place where we know we'll die. It's not "fantasy" to have solar power powering much of our world. NASA however is the most honest about it, they have it slated for 2035 at this present time which we can already suspect will slide backw. That ain't happening without Commonwealth Saga-esque wormholes. While a ten-year deadline might be a bit tight considering the US would have to build up the industry to support such an effort, if it really wanted to it could very likely get a man to Mars and back within that schedule. The nearest planet or moon where humans could live in an even remotely self-sustainable way is so far away that even if we could travel near the speed of light, it would still be well out of our reach. Everest, however, is within days journey of civilization, has a steady pipeline of supplies, has oxygen all on its own, and there are many smaller/easier mountains to practice on until we figure out what gear and techniques are needed to be successful. If humans do eventually land on Mars, they would not arrive alone. Issue number one: Radiation. Changing the title for the Slashdot article to "Let's Not Go To Mars" implies that the author is suggesting we don't even try to land a person on Mars which is not really the point of the original article. Not even close. Chris McKay at the Ames Research Center said that if your backyard had this much perchlorate in the soil, it would be considered a Superfund site. Seriously, find reasons to do things instead of excuses for giving up. Even with meticulous spacecraft cleaning procedures in place, we … WIthout hurting anyone of course. I am sure the power and propulsion systems will be unique and require advances in that area. To reduce risk, reasonable mission profiles for Mars that involve in-situ actually call for a long "prep phase". Thanks for your "idiot" comment though, classy opening salvo for a friendly discussion. So this would mean: 1) Hope that MOXIE doesn't get cut before launch2) Hope that Mars 2020 makes it into the 2020 launch window3) Arrive at Mars after a long cruise phase. This means we have to design some sort of aerobreaking/parachute/glider/rocket hybrid approach. That's the idea of the entomopter. let alone the airless lifeless desert which is Mars. Oddly enough, the technology developed to go to Mars could conceivably assist with your first request of eliminating carbon emissions. On Mars it might be easier for machines to fly with insect type flight with rapidly beating wings, using the bumble bee wings vortex effect for lift. Mars is an obvious target for exploration because it is close by in our Solar System, but there are many more reasons to explore the Red Planet. :P. Another common misconception is that there's "no water" on Venus. A first attempt at an outpost that will probably fail after a while, is there support for that? If it works right and lasts, then the idea is to make a 100x bigger system with its own dedicated high power RTG (read: expensive), as well as tankage, compressors, etc and send that to Mars, leave it running for 5-10 years, and if it completes storing up enough O2, then use that for a human mission. We are not responsible for them in any way. People will have a lot of room to move around in. The idea being that the atmosphere should be a more consistent and reliable source of raw materials than mined water ice. Moon really really sucks due to the whole "lunar night is really really really really cold and long" bit. Columbus's ship were about the same size. One goal of an offworld colony is a break from lots of the crap here on Earth. An international effort led by the US to expand a human presence to the Moon and Mars is working on the revenue side of the ledger. I for my part would happily join a trip to mars, even one way under a few conditions. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians. Overpopulation on earth will not be solved by colonizing Mars. Mars is … It exists, assuming we don't demand a single ground launch for said spacecraft or the trajectory skirts the outer edges of the belts rather than pass through the middle (what the Apollo missions did). (Gotta love the passive voice. If there was a catastrophic happening that affected Earth, Mars would be affected too. Nuking the poles won't change that... just give a very brief warm/wet spell. And the lack of gravity only HELPS here; yes, it is initially disorienting to see people hanging at "nauseating angles" but it opens up a lot of wasted space, making what appears to be a very cramped habitat much more spacious because all that wasted space on the walls and ceilings can be put to use. Most plastics, for example, are indifferent to it. Cool! Required fields are marked *. Of course, storage (for nighttime or rainy days) is a problem, but if our utilities ran well and compensated solar users properly, this wouldn't be a problem, as the solar users c. And people who can't understand past the third grade level. ...I'm guessing Ed Regis has never had children? It's much easier to get full earth gravity on a space station than on Mars. You just trudge through the world's longest, most horrible amusement park lineup for your moment at the top. He is also wrong about the Hinderberg; hydrogen may well not have been the culprit (this theory was mainly pushed by the Nazis to blame the US for not selling them helium) and in any case the airship industry was mostly killed by powered flight getting better. With Project Orion powered space craft, we could send 100,000 ton vessels to Mars, single stage, capable of landing, with a trip time of weeks, not months. Incident sunlight is about 500 W/m^2, about half that at Earth's surface, although it depends on season and dust loading in the atmosphere. With both SpaceX and NASA ramping up plans to go to Mars, maybe it’s time to consider the other side of the discussion – that traveling to Mars might be a terrible idea. Sure it's cheaper than going to Mars, an expedition that would probably cost more than a trillion dollars. Trouble is, a lot of us grew up with the im. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], "In May 1999 he spent a record 21 hours on the summit without supplementary oxygen, even sleeping there.". Humans have never been exposed to this type of radiation for this long. Water, for example, which is kinda "must have" for any permanent settlement. If every nuclear weapon in existence were detonated all at once in a war-to-end-all-wars, the earth would still be much more inhabitable than any other body in our solar system. Nonetheless, I do ultimately agree with Regis' premise that Mars should not be the goal simply because Mars is a dead-end. This idea irritates me to no end. If we go to Mars, the first trip would make headlines, so may the second, but then attention will fade. In th. In addition to carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and sulfur in the atmosphere, at those levels Venus's atmosphere also contains a number of other useful chemicals - lots of nitrogen (as N2); moderately low amounts of argon, low amounts of helium and neon; very low amounts of chlorine (as HCl) and phosphorus (as H3PO4 - it's more commonly found lower); and trace amounts of hydrofluoric acid and what appears to be volcanic ash/dust (the Venera probes identified small amounts of probable iron and silica on detectors during descent). Actually, Venus's atmosphere has almost as much water vapor as Earth's atmosphere - it's just mixed in with a *lot* of other stuff, mainly CO2, which is why the percentage is so low. The ISS is under the Van Allan Belts. I suspect that AI and robotic development will reach the point that by the time we can send and return a few people to Mars, we can send indestructible “human-like” robots that can accomplish the same things (and more) on a Mars mission that a real human could do, but without the life-sustaining needs and fragility of humans. Here are 10 reasons why settling Mars is a really, really bad idea. And they're anything but "simple", even for the simplest tasks like water production and oxygen generation. But both the cost and risk were considered too extravagant, especially considering the lack of significant reward for all that effort. Since [wikipedia.org] nobody [wikipedia.org] did [wikipedia.org] any [wikipedia.org] such [wikipedia.org] thing [wikipedia.org], I suppose it is impossible [wikipedia.org]. Solar or nuclear, take your pick. I'm sure there is a huge psychological discrepancy between being in orbit around Earth in a space station equipped with an emergency escape capsule, and being out in the middle of space with little to no hope of rescue. Trillions of them. Actually you were when you ignore reality. The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. Look at the plan diagrams that have been published, they include several generations of technology in this area before we're really ready. But travel to and from a rotating space station would be a LOT easier. Any materials you want to use on the Moon must be mined from rocks, and that is harder. The percentage is however notably higher at "typical floating colony" altitudes than at near the surface. ", Early navigators didn't know that. Which is why we have houses in gated communities that are protected by ADT Security, and with a handy safe room. Mars is a stepping stone, not a destination. And lastly, we've explored Mars way better than we've explored Venus - there's far bigger outstanding scientific questions about Venus than about Mars. It is a silly place. The costs to return to the Moon are estimated to be at least 1 or 2 billion dollars. And all of these are quite toward the easy end of "refining" tasks. The first lunar night it had to endure pretty much killed the Chinese moon rover. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Because Mars has a lot of useful materials available. And that would have to be big enough to provide space for medical facilities, a galley, hydroponics, recycling, etc. Settling on Mars isn’t going to make anyone rich, and that’s going to make it more difficult to accrue the money required for such an expensive project. Latency doesn't matter much when operating Mars probes remotely, but on Venus, when any atmosphere-diving surface explorer probe is going to have a very limited period of time at the surface before it overheats, command latency is critical; also, maintenance needs on your surface probes are probably higher, which also calls for humans. There's not a snowball's chance in hell of a long-endurance spacecraft using the existing state-of-the-art in life-support and logistical technology to endure for 9 months in space. Or is there a good reason why this is in fact more difficult than Mars-colonisation which I've just overlooked? The thin atmosphere is also a nightmare for landing on Mars. Which I think are a little unlikely. I'll start packing! These could be closer to Earth , would presumably have rather better access to solar power and journeys to and from Earth would only need to deal with a single planetary gravity well. It would need it to be big enough to support a centrifugal section for living and working quarters. But she says Mars is not a good place for living for the long term. And why would we? Nasty. It would be a long, cramped, unpleasant journey? In 2008, the Mars Phoenix lander found significant quantities of perchlorate in the Martian soil. Wow, getting to Mars will be tough! (**) Not so much on sea voyages. We’ve talked in videos about the Fermi Paradox and the Drake Equation in the search for intelligent life in the universe. Copyright © 2021 SlashdotMedia. You crawl before you walk, you walk before you run. This discussion has been archived. One example is with MOXIE. Someone might get hurt. In short, we'd need to build an actual, for real Ship, not just some tin can that is. Further steps would depend on what the goal was. The biggest tech breakthrough we will have in the next generation is the development of machines that can act ever more independently. Red blood cells are what carry oxygen through the body. If that isn’t bad enough, the winds are fierce and blow at terrible velocities. And Safety culture really really really hates the idea of going to Mars. Seeing as how there was food(*), water(**), oxygen, space to move around, gravity and protection from cosmic radiation on their voyages, your analogy is completely fucking bogus. But nowadays, you're talking about investing a huge am. If you want to 'colonize Mars' it would make FAR more sense to colonize Antarctica, or the deep ocean, both of which are infinitely more hospitable and closer. It would be expensive and unpleasant, but lots of things that have advanced humanity were expensive and unpleasant at first. Hell, we have refugees cramming themselves for weeks at a time into tiny boxes that would seem luxuriously expansive to any astronaut in hopes of reaching a better life. Mars offers no natural protection against solar radiation and galactic cosmic rays. The only major downside to Mars is "it is kinda far away" and it really isn't a huge deal if you do a major colonization effort. Whether it's a few hundred people surviving a nuclear winter, or a few hundred people surviving the perpetual Martian winter, none of those people are likely to be me or anybody I care about. The average temperature on Mars is about -70ºF; the average temperature at the South Pole is -55ºF. Don't say "solar power", because the Sun appears much smaller when viewed from Mars, and thus receives much less energy. We clearly have no hope for reaching Mars and we will do good if we make it to lunch on Earth. A bigger reason not to colonize Mars is that there are far better things to do in space. You can explore the whole planet rather than just the area immediately around your landing site. The notion that we can start colonizing Mars within the next 10 years or so is an overoptimistic, delusory idea that falls just short of being a joke. Gotta love the passive voice Nazis; if they don't have anything else to say, that's always a good cheap shot. In retrospect the first exporters of the "new world" seemed to die pointless deaths too, but their exploration and their expanding of the known world was not pointless at all. No doubt its FEASIBLE, but that degree of engineering doesn't happen without a LOT of buildup. If even a few bunkers of isolated survivors on earth lived through a super-plague of epic biblical proportions, they would still be far more likely to survive than any colonies of humans in space (who would all be dead very shortly after the supply drops stopped coming from earth). And a few people leaving doesn't change the motivation or desire of those that are staying to take care of the environment. Mars mania reflects an excessively optimistic view of what it actually takes to travel to and live on Mars, every source of interpersonal conflict, and emotional and psychological stress, it would be accurate to call Mars a veritable hell for living things, Misleading Virus Video, Pushed By the Trumps, Spreads Online, He Called it a 'Scamdemic' - Then Saw His Family Getting Sick, 'No Clear Evidence' Hydroxychloroquine Works Against COVID-19, Trump Declares National Emergency To Speed Coronavirus Response, Coronavirus: Trump Suspends Travel From Europe To US, he brings up alot of things that we have overcome, 9 months of stress, noise and sleep disturbance, Watch this crazy man speak about this very problem, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. That's 60 shuttle launches worth of supplies. Dreams of terraforming aside, in the short term (read: next few centuries at least) man will only be able to live on Mars if encapsulated in climate-controlled metal-tubes. L5 colonies, asteroid mining, and ultimately island-hopping our way through the Solar System, the Oort cloud and beyond are far more entertaining and profitable enterprises than being tethered to another planet just because its there. You clearly have *no* idea about the orders of magnitude of difference between the 2 endeavours. Or, if aplastic anemia isn’t your thing, you might get agranulocytosis, which prevents your body from making white blood cells. I've recently visited a -- they say -- size-accurate replica of Pedro Alvares Cabral's caravel. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Google+ (Opens in new window). There are plenty of places on the Moon to get 24/7 solar power. There's a lot of potential for precipitating out exotic compounds in the high pressure / high temperature environment, the Venera probes found some types of lava flows often associated with rare mineral deposits, and there's good evidence to suggest large carbonatite flows which are often associated with even rarer deposits. Hope it gets approved.6) Hope that people are willing to go ahead and lock future manned missions into a particular site chosen that long in advance, before the mission hardware is even designed.7) Spend years building the refinery-craft, hope for no cutbacks or cancellations.8) Launch the refinery craft, hope for no accidents.9) Wait through cruise phase (hope for no accidents) and landing phase (again, hope)10) Hope that the new system actually works as desired for many years on end (which means keeping breakage-prone things like compressors running for long periods of time).11) Hope that a manned Mars mission actually gets funding -. Beyond that no existing technology will land men on Mars with the ability to take off again. And on the upside, you don't have the dust problems as found on Mars, have far less radiation exposure, and far more constant temperatures. The biggest problem with the long-term prospects of the endeavour is that there are no good economic reasons for it. There's your reason to go to Mars. Finally, the Moon is too close. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians.). And there is plenty of interesting research to be done there as well. So one of the biggest problems when it comes to traveling to Mars is that we’re not just bringing ourselves… We’re bringing our microbes. Many science fiction authors that tend toward Campbellian work like Kim Stanley Robinson have contemplated what a permanent Mars mission would look like, and before a human ever climbs into a rocket the nation-state has sent dozens of missions to begin the resource extraction process, mostly in the case of the science fiction authors, atmospheric extraction of vital elements, but the point still stands that a lot of mechanized work will happen autonomously to prepare the way for permanent human habitation. As to the argument to solve Earth's problems first, that's silly. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead. The Moon has wild variations in temperature depending on if you are in sunlight or shade - and the night lasts 2 weeks. Trips there might be one way to start, but trips to the new world were essentially one way too in the beginning. Yes, when THEY say that "X can't be done" they're sometimes wrong. Minor problem. 5 Reasons Going To Mars is a TERRIBLE Idea. Everest, however, ...has oxygen all on its own. What in hell makes Mr. Regis qualify as a competent judge on the feasibility of interplanetary space travel ? You need to reduce Earth's population by a few billion to make a dent. Been there, done that. Or grow plants or whatever else. Because Mars is one of few places with a reasonable day/night cycle. It's about going everywhere else. Wait... it's not easy?Oh, well lets give up then. I guess your great grandparents came with a Concorde to the US and didn't have to endure a grueling sea voyage where thousands died, then the long voyage to the west on foot where thousands died as well from hunger, sickness and exhaustion. Technically, humanity probably could colonize Mars already. CROSS-CONTAMINATION FROM EARTH. I know, right? Columbus had water, oxygen, sunlight, fishing, and air pressure on his journey. Mars is very cold - but its pretty consistent. And that's when the system's not trying to kill you - they've had corrosive chemical leaks, near-fire situations, etc. The main reason is radiation. The real biggest hurdle, if I am to believe the internet, is the entirety of humanity except the individual behind any particular keyboard is an inept idiot who is incapable of forming a single rational thought. (*) I don't know how much they could fish on sea voyages. That way, if the system fails, or produces resources that for some reason or another are not usable, people don't die. It's realist. We will view the video clip of the four prospective astronauts for the second time. I remember that one of the reasons that the oxygen generators were failing at one point was that the water they were feeding it was "slightly too acidic". It's far easier to get to these things in space. I daresay that Venus also has more potential to be profitable than Mars in the distant future. Excellent argument, except for that part. 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